PAN supporter threatened via Wiccauk forum
for daring to challenge PF interfaith policies and Christo/Pagan monopoly of Pagan forums
What lengths will they go to?
PAN was recently contacted by a well-meaning supporter (Mickyfin) who had kindly joined debate on Wiccauk via a thread called Pagan Federation No more.
Mickyfin informed us that he had simply tried to help in alerting others about how Pagan forums are now being hijacked by crafty missionaries, as was recently explained on the PAN website. For his troubles Micky received the following rather disturbing, private message hate mail from someone calling them self Jooles.
Of course when our members or supporters tell the truth about the PF Christo/Pagan interfaith sham with missionaries they frequently get hostile abuse from either evangelicals involved, who hold the usual biblically-prescribed convert/oppress agenda, or irate yet naive plastic Pagan interfaith bunnies. However, this latest turn up is rather more disconcerting as it appears to be a real threat of possible violence against one of our well-wishers.
Mickyfin informs us that he may take this threat to the police as he feels that it is so worrying and that is of course his personal choice to do so if he so wishes.
It is also very revealing that Wiccauk have closed the thread in question after Christo/Pagan interfaith opponents rightly mentioned that the PF's ex-editorial staff for Pagan Dawn are now working closely with the missionary Ex-witch site and that Christo/Pagan outreach called Pagan and Christian Moot
We have of course viewed the pathetic insults from the overtly aggressive C/P interfaith lobby, clandestine PF activists and evangelical plants that have been thrown at PAN and our brothers/sisters at SAFF on these puerile Wiccauk threads. Some of these postings may quite easily be perceived as libellous yet the irresponsible originators of these foolish comments may not realise, in their gross ignorance, the gravity of their personal actions. Moreover, we wonder how the controllers at Wiccauk feel about the fact that they have such clearly aggressive persons using their threads who appear to be capable of resorting to violence against anyone that supports PAN's efforts to alert others to the dangers of working with clever missionaries at interfaith gatherings? Such odious behaviour does not further the Pagan cause for any of us and is abhorrent in the extreme! Furthermore, such intransigence by that site for permitting such uncalled for obscenities against others who have freely devoted their time and efforts for the good of the occultist community calls into question the maturity, perception and dignity of the people actually running the site.
Mickyfin informed us that contrary to Jooles' claims he hates nobody but simply wants to warn other occultists that the Pagan community is ripe now for the usual evangelical attentions that have led to so much trouble for so many religious communities in the past. This is absolutely true as our recent disclosures about Ex-witch/Pagan and Christian moot/PF have undoubtedly shown. The truth hurts and good folk like Mickyfin are obviously now pricking the false perceptions and dangerously childish reasoning of foolish plastic Pagans who comically believe that joining hands with clever missionary factions at interfaith moots will somehow help the Pagan cause and make the world a better place. It appears that when the outright inadequacy of these thoughtless C/P interfaith lobbyists (who we believe are largely closet Xtians at heart) is exposed they get very nasty behind the scenes, as the following example will clearly show.
Is this the main reason why disgusting bully-boy, scare tactics are now being used against PAN/SAFF supporters ?
This is the message/link from Jooles which Mickyfin recently forwarded to us:
Private Message to Mickyfin: PF
Today (24/12/04), 01:32
jools
Profile: ( Offline ) join date: 2nd June 2003
location: York
posts: 423
PF
"Don't ever ever quote me on threads you have no idea about.
I am not a
pagan, so don't include me in your small minded pettiness. Take your agenda
elsewhere, and learn to live with those you have chosen to fight against. You
think as a new age pagan you have any right at all over what you are claiming as
your own. You have no right at all. I choose to get along with other paths. Why
don't you. Loser. Oh and in case you feel the need to pass this on to the
mods, or quote me, or anything else you want to do with it, remember I am
following a path you lot have yet to understand. I only hurt those that hurt
or disrespect me.
Remember that before you get on that soapbox you hate so
much of the xians."
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"Don't do what thou wilt. Do what I say!"
http://www.wiccauk.com/forums/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=48131
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Jooles appears to be the same person with the same logo and verse as
below:
"Don't do what thou wilt. Do what I say!"
http://occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=5416
We also noticed that one Jooles had other ramblings as below and seems
to be very impressed with the following weaponry comment:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/joolsmd/
"SNIPER: You love your gun. Maybe a little too much, but you're very, very
good at handling him/her. See that mosquito on that wall 200 yards away? I bet
you could hit it if you tried..."
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Worrying indeed and from a person, who is self-admittedly, NOT a Pagan (yet calls them self a "Female Witch" on their own profile data which mentions friends at Wiccauk)!
We also discovered that Jooles' profile page gives a PF supportive York Pagan Eye gathering page, apparently organised by one Julia Medd.
A Jooles (possibly the same person ) however claims in this posting below on another occult forum that she wants to represent pagans - very odd; a wannabe Pagan rep who is self-admittedly 'not' a Pagan:
"My daughter goes to a multifaith school and I was considering offering my services if they need a 'pagan' representative to talk to the littlies. Otherwise, with organising various groups, festivals and sabbat open rituals as well as being a working mother, I really don't have the time to progress in my path, let alone doing more for the pagan community. Sometimes doing a little is better than nothing at all."
http://www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php/t-7724.html
All very confusing of course and one is first led to believe that a person is 'not' Pagan then examples online seem to indicate the reverse.
Possibly such people do not actually know just what they believe in, which leads to so much inner confusion that is ultimately aimed at others who are more focused than themselves?
NB. We have of course saved all links and relevant information for future reference in case the parties concerned seek to alter this particular tale for their own ends.
Now whether or not this Wiccauk 'Jooles' person has any feasible connection with 'Jules' (alias Julie James) that left the PF/Pagan Dawn to join forces with other anti-occultist Ex-witch missionaries (who work with Reachout Trust, Spotlight Ministries and other SRA-promoters ) is perhaps a matter for further consideration.............
Whatever the whole truth of this particular matter we now know that these self-righteous factions will go to extreme lengths to stifle all debate about the ludicrous spectre of Christo/Pagan interfaith. The above is simply one small example amongst many available to PAN of how PF/C/P interfaith supportive activists behave when their worldview is challenged. Sadly, although some Pagans think that equality and acceptability of religious freedom is a common belief shared with Xtians they are mistaken. The Church has always viewed itself as being morally and spiritually superior all other faiths and this is why it seeks to spread its particular brand of the truth to all. It's called 'Evangelism' and that is what it does best. Unfortunately, many Pagans are so brainwashed by the equal rights to share for all brigade they they cannot understand this single central point!
Nevertheless. PAN will continue to combat the ludicrous spectre of plastic Pagan ignorance which is based on pie-in-the-sky perceptions of the occult shaking hands with the forces of fundamentalist missionary activism.
PAN reiterates the point once again that interfaith between Pagans and tolerant faiths, that do not clandestinely seek to evangelise others, is a great and beneficial thing.
Christo/Pagan interfaith is on the other hand the height of dangerous stupidity for any occultist to embark upon as the Church in all its sanctimonious forms has always (and still does) believe itself to be the only genuine/acceptable path to the Godhead and marks every other spiritual path to be either badly mistaken or satanically- inspired.
People that hide behind pseudonyms on the internet are frequently difficult to trace yet their antics remain predictable and the same. This is particularly true of the wholly ignorant types who think they can use the net to spread idle gossip based on personal prejudice and ludicrous C/P interfaith policies that work against the general good for every Pagan.
Disclaimer:
PAN realises that the vast majority of Christians are not fundamentalist or evangelical in make up and we only criticise religious extremists who seek to disenfranchise other faiths whilst bolstering their own. PAN does not in any way condone violence against any persons or property and we must state that we have always worked towards a more tolerant and equal society.